Article:		A Vision for java.net
Subject:		Does this vision include SWT, JBoss and Eclipse?
Date:		2003-06-16 03:48:52
From:		bpmurray
Response to: Does this vision include SWT, JBoss and Eclipse?
This is ridiculous. If java.net is to work, we need to at least be polite to one another. Baldly stating that IDE/Widget set/Religion/Race A is better than IDE/Widget set/Religion/Race B is simply stupid. I actually prefer to use vi as an editor, but I'm not so silly as to state that all other IDEs/editors are rubbish. We need to have some guidelines - remember, we're all on the same side here, so play fair. I'd suggest that the guidelines be simple and straightforward, something along the lines of: 1. If you criticise something, you *must* rationalise your criticism. ( You may not state that something is bad without explaining why you believe so.) 2. Do not use language that others will find offensive. (Stating that Eclipse is "shit" has the dual effect of making the person who says that look incapable of expressing him/herself in rational terms and, at the same time, scares off some potentially valuable contributors who are offfended by vulgarity.) As a response to those who have criticised (if that's what some of the comments can be called) Eclipse (and its SWT), the reality is that there are millions of professional, clever, constructive and productive users of that product. No matter how much *you* dislike it, it's clear that very many people have found it to be valuable in their everyday work. Its uptake and industry backing mean that it must be taken seriously, and it's pointless trying to exclude it from any Java disucssions. All products that use Java have a place in this site, no matter if they have originated in Sun, IBM, OTI, Borland, BEA, or even Microsoft. Yes, if there are merits in J#, we should discuss *reationally* if these deserve inclusion in some future Java-based technology, and not simply refer to it with expletives. B=