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Who should bear primary responsibility for supporting Java on Mac OS X?
| Apple |  38.2% (409 Votes) | | Sun | 49.1% (525 Votes) | | The Open Source community | 11.6% (124 Votes) | | Someone else (please comment) | 0.9% (10 Votes) | Total Votes: 1068 |
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Apple should open source their Java
2007-10-31 11:39:00 tompalmer
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While I'm not saying they are obligated (any more than Sun was), best would for Apple to donate their implementation to OpenJDK. Then they can offload their "ball and chain" while making Java folks happy. Then Apple, Sun, and the open source community could work together. Key points: cheaper for Apple, cheaper for Sun, happier community.
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Depends on the version
2007-10-30 05:29:40 getaceres
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I think that for Java 6 it's Sun's responsibility to support Mac in the same way as they support Linux and Windows. But since Java 7 is Open Source it's the Mac, Windows and Linux Open Source Community that must support its respective platforms.
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why I am saying sun...
2007-10-29 23:01:47 melbeltagy
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I really think that it's Sun's responsiblity to do this. The reason why I am saying this, is very simple, Java' concept is: "Write once, run everywhere". And Java is Sun's big child now.
As of this, I think that it's Sun's duty to support putting Java on Apple as well. Specially, that Apple OS is not new or a small OS. It is a big OS with its users all over the world.
So, supporting it, I think is Sun's duty.
Note:
Supporting may mean at least putting hand-in-hand to do the job, it doesn't have to be 100% sun's job.
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No Java 6 on Leopard
2007-10-27 10:41:57 wordwarrior
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So, now that the cat's out of the bag (so to speak) and Java 6 is not part of Leopard, I have an important historical question:
Did Sun always distribute a version of Java for Windows, or did they only start to do so after Microsoft violated their license agreement?
If the answer is that Sun only distributed their WIndows download later, then there's a chance they'll do so for OS X as well.
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Patience, grasshopper
2007-10-30 10:07:57 jimothy
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Everybody is up in arms that Java 6 didn't ship on Leopard, and assuming this means it never will. Let's relax, and wait a little while. All that we can really say is that Java 6 wasn't as high of a priority as getting Leopard shipped in October, and the features they've been promoting. And really, you can't blame Apple; it makes perfect business sense to not delay Leopard a second time, and make Java 6 available for download.
I wouldn't have any idea myself, but I wonder if somebody could come up with some interesting clues by registering for a free account at http://connect.apple.com, agreeing to the NDA, and reading the Leopard release notes.
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Patience, grasshopper
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No Java 6 on Leopard
2007-10-28 18:39:23 fachim
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How about Java 7? it's open source and community has responsibility to port Java on any OS.
It could be the bargaining power of Mac, in fact most developer develop Java on Mac.
regards,
fachim
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No Java 6 on Leopard
2007-10-28 01:59:32 jwenting
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Sun has always supplied JVMs for Windows, never for Mac (I believe Apple won't let them). Of course Macs have never been more than a fringe phenomenon.
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No Java 6 on Leopard
2009-06-03 18:07:44 belly_fat
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No Java 6 on Leopard
2007-10-30 06:23:32 invalidname
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Sun wrote a JDK 1.0 for the Classic Mac OS; it wasn't very good. After that, many third parties did their own Mac JDKs (Netscape, IDE makers Metrowerks, Symantec, and Roaster, etc.), and Apple tried to simplify things for users by doing their own, bundling it with the OS, and advocating that browser makers and others just standardize on that.
Sun loaned engineers to Apple's JDK team for a while too, but they were cut in one of Sun's first dot-bomb RIFs. The "Apple won't let them" story is bogus -- Apple pays a license fee to Sun for the right to develop a Mac JDK, test against the JCK, and call it "Java".
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No Java 6 on Leopard
2007-10-27 10:32:06 wordwarrior
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So, now that the cat's out of the bag (so to speak) and Java 6 is not part of Leopard, I have an important historical question:
Did Sun always distribute a version of Java for Windows, or did they only start to do so after Microsoft violated their license agreement?
If the answer is that Sun only distributed their WIndows download later, then there's a chance they'll do so for OS X as well.
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What does Flash do?
2007-10-26 11:01:58 prime21
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Should Adobe bear primary responsibility for supporting Flash on Mac OS X?
Sounds ridiculous doesn't it? Of course Adobe will produce and support Flash Player for Mac OS X.
Should Sun support Java on Mac OS X? Yes. And don't do some X hack. AWT/Swing must interact with Aqua, Applets need to work in Safari, etc.
Does this represent a lot of work for Sun? Yes. But it's in Sun's best interest to make sure that Java GUI apps stay write-once-run-anywhere (including Mac).
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who cares ?
2007-10-26 10:30:11 felipegaucho
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eheheh, let the MacOS die...
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re: who cares ?
2007-10-26 12:53:00 invalidname
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With AAPL's market cap now at $161 billion (greater than IBM or Intel's, and eight times greater than Sun's), you might be waiting a while for that...
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Why not both?
2007-10-26 09:48:15 coxcu
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Sun already supports Solaris and Linux. Sun could support a JDK for OS X based on X. That would be far less work than what Apple does, but would give developers access to a current JDK on OS X.
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Why not both?
2007-10-30 11:28:19 jwenting
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where would it end though? Lots of AIX servers out there, and IBM is as slow as (or even slower than) Apple in providing new JVM/JDK versions. I'd venture to say that the economic impact of AIX JVMs is higher than that of Mac JVMs, so should Sun also provide for that? And there are many more OSs out there, like HP Ux.
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Why not both?
2007-10-30 11:52:43 tompalmer
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From a consumer perspective, Mac is an important platform. If developers can't count on Java being good enough there, then they'll need a different cross-platform technology. And alternatives exist (such as Flash or HTML or Silverlight). Or if not cross platform, then Microsoft has plenty of good client technology for Windows. Bad Java on Mac means Java isn't very useful all around.
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Why not both?
2007-10-31 01:22:48 jwenting
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consumers are hardly the market where Java is the most important. And even for consumers Mac is NOT an important platform. Outside some niche markets they have hardly any marketshare at all, and in those niches there's hardly any Java software. The 3 platforms Sun covers (Windows, Linux, and Solaris) cover probably around 90%+ of the end user market and 60-75% of the low/mid range server market. It would make far more sense for Sun to create AIX and OS/400 (or whatever IBM calls it these days) machines than it does for them to spend the same resources on creating MacOS VMs, as that would give them a far larger marketshare of the mid/high end server market for VMs which is more lucrative than the small niche where Apple operates. And serverside applications are FAR more important for Java than desktop stuff, no matter what the Netbeans team might think (and the Apple lovers who've never even heard of servers).
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Why not both?
2007-10-31 07:13:07 tompalmer
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I do server-side (not Java client) development for a living, though not on AIX and OS/400 and such like. So I don't know what the issues are there, even if I understand standard server issues pretty well. I'm just saying that Sun likes to claim Java as a cross-platform client solution, but it's not what it should be. If there's no money in it, then maybe Sun should just get out. Several other companies seem to find value in it (even if it's indirect). And the information I can gather shows more Mac than Linux users these days (maybe not among the Java crowd, but that's not the crowd that matters for these issues).
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Why not both?
2007-10-31 11:17:59 tompalmer
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Meaning, either Sun should commit to good consumer Java experience across the main consumer operating systems (Windows, Mac, Linux), or they aren't competitive with other options.
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Why not both?
2007-11-01 23:33:05 jwenting
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Mac OS is hardly a "main consumer operating system". A few graphics artists and photographers and some kids who are impressed into thinking they're "kewl" when they have a Mac (after all, it's from the guys that made the iPod, so it must make you popular) are the main users of Macs. They're a small minority, and not people who're likely to buy much software anyway (the graphics pros use Photoshop and not much else, the kids pirate everything).
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